We know it means to meet death model David Jenkins

David Jenkins

picture: John Sculley / Stringer (Getty Images)

David Jenkinsthe presenter of the hit HBO Max pirate romantic comedy Our knowledge means death, he seems surprised when I tell him I haven’t seen a group post like I did on this show. the way that Our knowledge means deathWriters, actors, and crew talk with fandomRetweeting fan art, posting on social media, and supporting fan activities is likely unprecedented.

surely, Joss Whedon Went in fan forums for Buffy the Vampire Slayer And Brian Fuller sometimes interacts with Hannibal Fan art, but none of it was on the same level as Jenkins and the rest of the members Our knowledge means death creators. “Explain that to me,” he said during a recent conversation with io9, curious and impressed. “For me, it doesn’t feel like sharing so much as just acknowledging that ‘people have interesting ideas’ and you can go back and forth. Like, isn’t that a normal thing?”

Jenkins stopped thinking about it. He’s calculated and thoughtful, and seems really interested in learning about the politics of the weird fanbase that most offline people never have to think about. “I wonder if the fact that due to the weirdness of this show is not highlighting the audience, and it is not a function of wanting to do something, but of not being able to produce results due to network standards. I think we just happened to be in that lucky spot where the show is actually Weird…and I think people respond to that.”

He indicated that he understands the power of the fan base. See star Wars And I thought Finn and Bui would make a great couple, then how John Boyega had to deal with a lot of racism. He mentioned that he thought a lot about how to do it Kelly Marie Trang He received the same kind of backlash. “I wanted Leslie Jones to have a really good experience [Our Flag Means Death]He remembers, “Because I remember what happened when Leslie Jones was around Ghostbusters And I got many of the same things that Tran got.”

Image of the article titled Our Flag Means Death Showrunner David Jenkins on Fandom and Queer Fantasy

picture: Courtesy of HBO Max

That’s the great thing about fans, because even when you’re not a part of it, you can still feel its echoes in the media you consume. If you were a little attentive to the Hollywood news, you would understand what kind of power fans have. And while no one out there admits that Boyega’s thwarted power sensitivity was the result of a public backlash, there’s a clue it might, and that skepticism is strong. Jenkins admitted, “If Twitter is bad for me in this way, I can understand the impulse to feel like I should get out of work.”

But that’s not what happens to Jenkins, or any of his team. There is not much hostility of any kind in our flag Fans, not even toward one of the show’s most hostile characters, Izzy Hands (Con O’Neill) – but more on that later. Instead, the fan base is there, on Twitter, Tumblr and Archive of Our Own, producing fan work, meta, and compiling articles. “Seeing people celebrate the story as pulsing as it is, they get so excited about these tiny little details… It’s so much fun,” Jenkins said. “You make a million decisions when you run the show, other than writing it… You run the season, and you’re at a production meeting on Tuesday, and you say, ‘In this scene, this chair is going to be green, and somebody else says, OK, we’re going to make the green chair.’ And all the time you’re doing In it, for the entire season, you’re drinking out of a fire hose for a million choices you have to make.”

“And three months after it came out, you see that the fanbase is so engaged that they celebrate this little decision, that green chair. It makes the production design team feel visible, and it makes the wardrobe feel visible.” Jenkins is pleased with this. He is fond of all the meta that people make of red silk, silver ring, beacon, and orange. “We often think… these choices are ours. No one will know and notice the language of a particular scene. And when people do, And the appreciate it? Something amazing.”

He also knows that he doesn’t think about everything, and that there are a few things that fans can give meaning to. “There are these happy coincidences that on some level don’t seem like a coincidence because when something really works, coincidences kind of happen.”

I mentioned that I got involved in some dead myselfAnd they talked about Taika Waititi’s wardrobe. Jenkins wants to know right away that Kristen Wada designed this outfit. “The summary was warrior path Then the prince’s picture from 1979. And you remember that little half shirt? As Jenkins was talking, he stood up and tucked his shirt, showing off the tiniest part of his torso. I’m thrilled, that’s so fun and silly. I can’t believe David Jenkins is showing off parts of Blackbeard’s clothing that look so much like Prince.” Next, we thought he should That slowly turns into the colors of the prince. It should start in black, then come out purple as he falls in love and hugs and falls in love with Stede.” I don’t recall that this would confirm a lot of the definitions out there, but I think he probably knows.

I mentioned that fan imaginations spring from all of these definitions, and I told Jenkins that this is the biggest explosion of fic I’ve ever seen produced by my fans in a very short time. “I’m really confused though. What counts as a fan story? Like when is it classified as fan fiction? It’s just writing,” he said. “I remember seeing the audition for Con, and we were still in the writers room, writing the season,” he said. The first.” Jenkins explained that when you write, you sometimes feel tired, and you need another piece of art to remind you of what you do, and why you make the thing you make.” And the Con O’Neill test was one of those things I would come back to. I’m going to watch it and be like… Oh, well, this is the show. And in a way, you’re writing fan fictions for a certain actor and character because you want them to do something, and you’re like — “At this point, it has to be said, Jenkins let out an obsessive little laugh. He’s so happy to show Con O’Neill’s ability to seem so exhausted and menacing as rest of the fan base.” And you [as the writer] You’re like… and then Izzy does this right now.”

Con O'Neill as Izzy Hands

Easy Hands, Easy Hands do things.
picture: Aaron Epstein/HBO Max

Jenkins was calling from New York City, where he’s working hard in season two. He said he wasn’t sure of the chance to renew for a second season as the fan base. He explained that shows do not usually enjoy this kind of viewership Our knowledge means death Experienced: “You don’t know what’s going to happen.” But he said the response when it came meant everything to him and the rest of the cast and crew. “fact that [fandom] It was just as vocal, emotional, and fun as it was the reason we had a second season. This is why people are sharing from the show [fandom]. I mean, you’ve all given us a job this year.”

He personally thanked the fans. He is unwilling to let any work go by without taking credit for the people who do the work. It didn’t matter that he did the show, that the actors were amazing, that the directors were amazing. “I think the fan response is why we have the next season of the show” — and in the end, he said, “all of these things made a difference.” for lovers Our knowledge means death Jenkins, who tweeted as part of a social media revamp campaign, wrote meta or fan, drew art or made their own merchandise, wanted to say a personal thank you.

Jenkins is, without a doubt, one of the most serious artists I have ever spoken to. He talks about the fandom like they’re his kids, like he’s the captain of this huge, massive crew who’s building the ship as he sails it. When it’s so positive [fandom] He notices all these little things and — I mean, come on, how could you not want to be involved in that? “

Our knowledge means death Season 1 is now airing on HBO Max.


Want more io9 news? Check out when to expect the latest marvel And the star Wars Releases, what’s next for DC Universe on Film and TVAnd everything you want to know about him Dragon House And the The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power.

.