Big Blue View Mailbag: Daniel Jones, Aaron Robinson, and more

With OTAs in the books and only mandatory mini camp left in New York Giants offseason programme, let’s open the Big Blue View Mailbag and see what questions we can answer.

Jeff Bergman asks: In contract options, everything I see written seems to indicate that if the Giants keep Jones, the options are a long-term deal or franchise sign. Is there a compromise with “fair” start-up money with a short-term “proof it” component? (Not all NBA players get a maximum deal) Are there any examples you can think of where QB got something with guaranteed start money in year one with options that let the team out if he wasn’t the guy and the player was compensated like a starter if he performed?

What if Jones proves he’s qualified, but he’s not elite? What if he’s ranked above league average but not top-tier – good enough to compete for playoffs but not Energy. Do you think the Giants will be looking to move forward?

Ed says: Jeff, let me take that in reverse.

If you put any stock in Chris Sims Top 40 MidfielderDaniel Jones is not far from that “above league average” ranking. Sims has Jones 21st. With a better offensive line, better offensive line and healthy playmakers, it’s not hard to imagine Jones ending up in the top 15 starting out.

Honestly, what the Giants will do at that point is a gray area and I’m not sure. Hopefully Jones makes it easy by being really good or really bad. We know 2023 NFL Project She’s supposed to have several first-round caliber quarterbacks. We also know the batting average of first-round midfielders who convert to the First Division or Pro BowlThe median caliber is somewhere around 30 per cent. With those numbers, would the Giants want to move on from Jones if they think he’s a mean guy and take a shot at someone new?

I suspect they will, because of the money and the fact that they inherited Jones instead of choosing him. I think, however, we have to let the year go by to read better about it.

For the price, there are 12 quarterback players who make $30 million or more annually and three others who make at least $25 million. That is 15. So, that puts the average price of the medium at about $25 million per year. A year from now, that could be $30 million a year.

There are options in a lot of contracts, but more and more large amounts of quarterback contracts, sometimes the full amount, are guaranteed. If the Giants are still unsure about bringing Jones into a long-term deal beyond this year, the organization will have to decide whether to spend more than $30 million to use the franchise brand or start over. For me, odds are they’re starting over.


David Matuozzi asks: While the defense should benefit from Wink’s aggressive scheming as well as the addition of Kayvon Thibodeaux, our CB situation and specifically the starting party versus Adoree’ Jackson is cause for concern. I’ve seen opinions from some writers that our entire defensive effort could be sabotaged by the lack of a firm start in CB2.

I initially thought the look on this side of the ball was bleak for this very reason as well. But then, I remember a couple of years ago when we started with the likes of Isaac Yadom and still run a unit of 10 to 12 of the best teams. Is Robinson really that much worse than Yiadom, or does Wink’s philosophy rely so much on playing CB than Graham that it would be unrealistic to expect our defense to be so good without an upgrade in CB2?

Ed says: David, who says Isaac Yadom is a better player than Aaron Robinson? And as far as I know, the answer to that is no one. The Denver Broncos He was Yedom and threw him into the giants. A year later, the Giants dumped him on Green Bay Packers. He played in seven matches, earned a score of 31.0 on the Pro Football Focus and is now a member of Houston Texas. He has a career pass rating of 114.3.

Yiadom played because there was no one else around, and Patrick Graham worked to work around his flaws by playing a lot of soft zone coverage that allowed Yiadom to keep the ball in front of him. His passer rating for that season was 126.4, the worst of his career.

Robinson is a developing player with a chance of becoming a regular in the league. It hasn’t been proven yet, but there is reason to be optimistic.

As for philosophy, Wink Martindale’s defensive scheme relies more on the quality of man-to-man coverage than Graham’s scheme. Graham is an excellent defensive coordinator, but he’s not incredibly aggressive when it comes to pressing. In 2020, when Baltimore Ravens They were healthy and Martindale could call up the defense any way he wanted, the Ravens led the league by blitzing 44.1 percent of the time. Giants attack 26.9 percent of the time.

Martindale needs corner supports – as well as his midfielders and safety – who can hold out on the man’s cover unassisted. Graham liked to use the secondary as a coordinating unit in an effort to hide cover-ups and deceive the midfielders.


Jim Moriarty asks: Let me in on this. Do you think the Giants would still have a Gettleman (and judge) if the one thing we’re applauding him for (last year’s first round trade) didn’t happen? Instead, Rashawn Slater penned, Who would most of us want after receivers got lost? Slater turned stud, and he would have helped last year’s line in a big way, whether at RT or LG. Will Getty take credit for strengthening the streak? How better was the crime? Wouldn’t there be comments from the Clown Organization or two direct infiltrations from the judge? Of course we’ll never know, but I wonder…

Ed says: Jim, let me try to take the Dave Gettleman and Joe Judge parts of your question separately. I honestly think they are two separate cases with some commonalities.

I don’t think there is one resolution you can look at and say “Gettleman cost his job”. You have to look at the backlog and the complete lack of progress. Four consecutive double-digit loss seasons, culminating in the 2021 4-13 season. Failures to have two coaching staff, although these appointments were made by ownership. List without excellent talent. Example after example of places where the giants, under Gettleman, didn’t maximize value when they had the chances.

I still argue that the giants did the right thing when they traded a year ago. Perhaps for the only time in the Gettleman period, value maximization. Yes, it would have been nice to have Rashawn Slater up front or Micah Parsons in defence. Yes, we still don’t know if Kadarius Toney will prove to be the right pick in 20th place.

But, that’s what that trade made into the giants’ profits when you pulled all the pieces together: Tony, Aaron Robinson, Evan Neal, and Daniel Bellinger. With this quartet, I would say the chances are that the Giants will definitely come forward to strike this deal.

Gettleman lost his job due to the fact that the Giants lost so many matches and it became clear that the Giants needed new ideas. Not because of any one decision.

When it comes to Joe Judge, I totally think the last thing John Mara and Steve Tisch wanted was to fire him. When the giants were 4-7 after they were Philadelphia EaglesI was going to tell you, there’s no chance of that happening.

After that, Daniel Jones got hurt, and we saw how incompetent NFL quarterbacks Mike Glennon and Jake Froome were, how terribly underpowered the Giants staff were, how poorly the Giants trained with a team largely made up of Judge College buddies, and, finally , the judge revealed to the whole world how little faith he had in his players.

Giants ownership, after Ben McAdoo and Pat Shurmur were fired after two seasons, Judge promised a long streak of changing Giants. They wanted so badly to give it to him.

The judge, however, did himself in. for him Six minutes answer On a question I asked in mid-December, a desperate coach appeared. The sneaky embarrassment of the middle players of the game that included a clear game plan of “reduce ugliness” against Chicago Bears Show a coach who has clearly lost faith in his players. him after the match 11 minutes answer The coach clearly lost his way.

Had the judge given the Giants ownership anything he believed in instead of letting the second half of the season crumble to the point where the Giants were embarrassed, he would have stayed. The Giants had hired a GM allied to Judge and move forward on this path.

Instead, they knew they had to get out of their comfort zone and find the GM with new ideas. They knew that the presence of the judge, who had become the target of ridicule in the national media, would hinder this research. So, they moved.

The coach really didn’t leave them any choice.


Bob Donnelly asks: Looking at today’s NFL economics combined with a supposedly deep QB class on the horizon, I wondered if the odds of him becoming a giant next year were very high.

There are a few converging factors.

First, there is the level of performance that must be achieved for the new GM/HC/OC to see him as his starting quarterback in 2023.

Second, as a free agent who has proven himself to be a good player in the NFL, he has a say in where he will sign in 2023. Checking the first box above means he will have options. It is possible that another team will offer him a contract (dollars/years/guaranteed dollars) beyond what the Giants will match.

Finally, if Jones achieves this level of play, comparing its value (defined as the type-cost/performance ratio plus lifespan) with its potential replacement value is difficult. Drafting his replacement may result in a lower salary, but it could also carry organizational talent success depending on the position of the 2023 draft behemoth and any cost of moving for the next QB franchise. Yes, a franchise sign is an option, but you may simply be lighting the way for another year with the same conditions, but even more expensive solutions.

So it could be a very narrow window that sees Daniel Jones as a giant in 2023. The Giants are underperforming Jones. Excellent performance and moves by Jones of the Giants.

your thoughts?

Ed says: Bob, a short answer to a long question. If Jones underperforms, the Giants are moving forward. Excellent performance, there’s no way they’d let him get away. If they come out of 2022 thinking he’s a man of privilege – and I’ve said before I think the odds are against – they will pay him that way and keep him.